Ver_7-5
GeoVenturing-LNT
IQ-Tips
...
Strategic (
WinZip
) Transitions
FutureThought
Rev: 2005-109am (
Out)
When you start Inspiration or choose
New
on the
File
menu, Inspiration opens a new document based on the default template.
When Inspiration comes from the factory, the default template is pre-set to the
Basic.IST
template.
The
Basic.IST
template is a general-purpose framework for any type of document.
You can make any Inspiration template (with Default_Filename.
IST
) your starter template.
For example, if you want Inspiration to open in Outline View, rather than in Diagram View,
select another Inspiration outline template, or create your own custom outline template.
Then select that (Default_Filename.
IST
) template as your starter template.
To select a NEW default template:
1
On the
Utility
menu, choose
Default Settings
.
2
Choose
Select
, and then click
Next
.
3
Open the folder containing the (Default_Filename.
IST
)
template
you want to make your new starter template.
Inspiration templates are usually stored in the
Inspiration Templates
folder within the
Inspiration 7.5
folder.
4
Select any template you want to be your starter template, then click
Open
.
A new untitled document opens based on the default template you selected.
All new (ISF-extension) documents will be based on the selected template.
The
Basic.IST
template remains in the Templates folder
in case you want to use it again as your default template.
Copyright © 2003 Inspiration Software, Inc.
-
Getting Started
(PDF)
-
Symbol
Guide
-
Template Guide
-
User's
Manual
-
v-Learning
Sampler
-
GIS in Education - Materials Search
(GEMS)
KUAA-SAA "
Jayhawker Yearbook
"
Digital Library (2005 - 2015)
Biogeography Bibliography for
EcoTrekUSA-WOK
(
cc
)...
ISBN 0-955-6695-7-2
:: Exploring the Kaw Valley
ISBN 1-56579-431-1
:: Land of Grass and
Sky
ISBN 0-425-11531-3
::
Winning th Innovation Game
ISBN 0-88730-676-4
::
The Wisdom of Teams
ISBN 0-679-73416-3
::
To Engineer Is Human
ISBN 0-679-74039-2
::
The Evolution of Useful Things
ISBN 0-312-14104-1
::
The Existential Pleasures of Engineering
ISBN 0-521-46649-0
::
Design Paradigms - Error & Judgement Cases
ISBN 0-262-06147-3
::
Engineering and the
Mind's Eye (Visioneering)
ISBN 0-765-30436-8
::
Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom
ISBN 0-471-04521-7
::
Business Enginering with Object Technology
ISBN 0-471-18004-1
::
The Intranet Data Warehouse
ISBN 0-374-19066-6
:: Longitudes & Attitudes - Exploring the World after September 11
-
Open-GIS
mapXchange
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 27 Dec 2004 00:50
Jason O'Rourke
>Tidal waves as high as five metres hit Penang and several other
>Malaysian islands following the 8.9-magnitude earthquake near
>Indonesia's Sumatra island.
So what's a 5-6m tsunami wave like compared to a regular one? And is it
a one shot deal, or does it come in a set?
For one of the largest earthquakes ever, I guess I thought it would be much bigger.
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 27 Dec 2004 01:01
Karl Denninger
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
The problem is not really the height - its that they can be 100 miles WIDE.
A 20' wave isn't a big deal. One that's 100 miles wide is, because it
basically raises the tidal level by 20' until it passes - which puts
many coastal areas completely underwater.
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 27 Dec 2004 01:17
dazed and confuzed
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
http://aebrain.blogspot.com/2004/12/first-hand-account-of-great-indian.html
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 27 Dec 2004 08:40
Randy Buckner
> I strongly urge everyone reading this to check out
WWW.anysoldier.us
, and
> support our troops with a letter, a package or a donation.
>
FWIW to you,
www.anysoldier.com
is now their address, with the old address
soon folding up.
I can tell you from personal experience, the packages were welcomed in
Desert Storm. I loved to get tins of smoked clams and oysters.
It is now fun to repay the favor that I received. Thanks for your sig line.
Buck
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 27 Dec 2004 14:05
Joe English
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
My family gave up their Xmas and the families of my son's hockey team
mailed of 10 boxes of goodies to an aunt of one of our players,
stationed in Fallujah. Ound what to send from the above web site.
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 28 Dec 2004 02:25
Fishbre396
In article <
95e8b$41d01698$ce504905$23039@allthenewsgroups.com
>, Joe English
<
jenglish@wisperhome.com
> writes:
>Ound what to send
Huh?
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 27 Dec 2004 11:33
Matthias Voss
> The problem is not really the height - its that they can be 100 miles WIDE.
It is the speed.
Tsunami waves are triggered by movements of the seabed, opposed to wind
normal driven waves.
Thus the normal math to calculate wave height/Speed/ wind/sea depth do
not apply.
Tsunamis can travel with several hundreds mph speed.
You can simulate it in your batthub. Test the difference between blowing
at the surface, and letting bounce your belly.
Matthias
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 30 Dec 2004 05:30
Steve
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
If you've ever done a belly flop off of a normal diving board you've fallen perhaps 5
feet, and you probably thought it hurt a bit. Falling 5 feet your speed when you hit
the water would be about 18 feet per second, or 12 mph. To hit the water at 100 mph
(146.67 feet per second) you'd have to accelerate for 4.58 seconds. Ignoring wind
resistance, you'd have to start your belly flop 336 above the water to impact at 100
mph. I feel confident in the belief that even in water 1/2" deep you'd bounce pretty
well at that speed. Standing on a beach and being hit by a wave traveling at 100 mph
wouldn't really be any different, except that "bounce" wouldn't be the proper
description of the result.
Luckily for thousands of survivors, much of the forward speed of the wave is
converted into height as the wave reaches shallower water, so they weren't actually
hit at 100 mph.
It's drowning or being battered against objects with a different velocity that do the damage.
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 27 Dec 2004 03:03
Alan Street
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
Large is relative. A 20' wave still isn't trivial.
----------------
"The strongest tsunami in known history was produced by the eruption
of the Krakatau of the Sunda Island group in 1883. It reached a wave
height of 35 m and claimed 36,830 lives. Four tsunamis with heights in
excess of 30 m have been documented in the Pacific Ocean since 684 A.D.
A strong tsunami in the Atlantic Ocean was observed in 1755 after an
earthquake near Lisbon (Portugal).
In the vicinity of the epicentre of an earthquake, tsunamis can result
in extreme wave heights. Once they reach the open ocean and travel
through deep water tsunamis have extremely small amplitudes but travel
fast, in 4000 m water depth at about 700 km/h. (This speed can be
estimated by using the wave speed equation given above: We have g = 9.8
m s-1, h = 4000 m, so (9.8 x 4000)1/2= 200 ms-1= 700 km/h.) On
approaching a coast they build up wave height again through shoaling.
The period of tsunamis is in the range 10-60 minutes. Figure 10.1 shows
a record of a tsunami from an Alaskan earthquake recorded in Hawaii."
http://www.es.flinders.edu.au/~mattom/IntroOc/notes/lecture10.html
Here are a couple of other references:
http://www.fluidmech.net/tutorials/ocean/tsunami.htm
http://www.pdc.org/tsunami-characteristics.php
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 27 Dec 2004 08:48
Randy Buckner
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
To say the least, Alan. I do not know the physics of wave energy, but I
remember reading that a 4' wave on one mile of coast generates 35,000 hp of
energy. I'm sure that is logarithmic with a 20' wave.
Buck
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 27 Dec 2004 12:30
J
ason O'Rourke
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
but I'm not so concerned with the energy of a 4' wave over a mile of coast.
Ocean Beach just down the road from me has surfing ranging from nothing to
double overheaders. And occasionally bigger waves that aren't surfed. A storm
can give us 20'ers for a while. Doesn't harm things a bit...the coast is forged
by this range. Personally I've been out in up to 10s, though usually not
intentionally about 6-7.
This one wiped out beach resorts, so obviously it's more than that.
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 28 Dec 2004 02:25
Fishbre396
In article <
cqov8k$2te8$1@agate.berkeley.edu
>,
jor@soda.csua.berkeley.edu
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
Wondering . . .what would Scuba divers experience in these conditions? Would
the biggest worry be "being thrown onto land at great force?" Or worse?
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 27 Dec 2004 14:05
Joe English
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
especially travelling at 500 mph!
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 27 Dec 2004 14:08
Lee Bell
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
Since we know of the deaths and devastation caused by these waves, it's easy
to say that they are not trivial. On the other hand, we've all seen
pictures of people surfing on waves of comparable height. It's not clear
why a Tsunami is so different, but it's apparent that they were.
Lee
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 27 Dec 2004 14:34
Joe English
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
It is probably much like the difference in 80 mph winds and 80 mph winds
in a tornado - the concentration, and speed of the massive wave of
water. Don't know if the wind analogy is very good. Tsunamis are not
just immense in height, but in all dimensions with the element of water
moving at 500 mph.
I am sure in the next several days we will get a much better
understanding of the force.
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 28 Dec 2004 02:25
Fishbre396
In article <
98b14$41d01d91$ce504905$23859@allthenewsgroups.com
>, Joe English
<
jenglish@wisperhome.com
> writes:
>It is probably much like the difference in 80 mph winds and 80 mph winds
>in a tornado - the concentration, and speed of the massive wave of
>water. Don't know if the wind analogy is very good. Tsunamis are not
>just immense in height, but in all dimensions with the element of water
>moving at 500 mph.
It seems that people on the beaches didn't realize how dangerous the rising
waves were. People were taking pictures, and watching the rising waters
without concern. They had no clue as to what was REALLY happening. Would
warnings have actually helped? Perhaps, education about the result of Tsunamis
is in order?
Someone asked the question= would it have been as bad if the earthquake
epicenter had been closer to shore? I would assume that the waves would not
have been as immense in height, nor moving as quickly.
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 28 Dec 2004 02:46
Grumman-581
"Fishbre396" wrote ...
> Perhaps, education about the result of Tsunamis
> is in order?
Uhhh... I believe that is what they just had...
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 27 Dec 2004 17:23
Mike Ross
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
OK.
Normal waves:
------/\---/\---/\----
Go up, down, up, down - individual waves may be (say) 20' from crest
to trough and 50' long from one crest to the next.
Tsunami:
--------- (a mile or more) --------
/ \
-------- -------------
It's not really a 'wave' at all, as we normally think of waves - it's
a huge mass of displaced water. It's much more like the storm surge
beneath the eye of a hurricane, to give a more familiar example, which
is when the surface of the ocean is 'sucked up' by the low pressure in
the eye. Except the tsunami is much worse, as it arrives all at once,
not gradually building up over hours like an approaching hurricane.
Think 'instant temporary global warming raising water level by 20' or
more'.
Mike
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 27 Dec 2004 20:28
JOF
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
It seems to me that the difference might be that the tsunami wave is
generated from the ocean bottom and displaces water throughout the
water column leaving no room for backwash (undertow?) and the force
pushes all the water in the water column ahead of it so it piles up
big time. This is as opposed to wind generated waves which affect
primarily the surface water and allow some backwash underneath the
surface.
I have no idea at what point friction starts to have an appreciable
effect and begins to dissipate the force at depth but I can imagine
there's a huge difference in behaviour between storm driven waves and
bottom displacement generated waves.
JF
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 28 Dec 2004 03:38
Jason O'Rourke
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
Nice ASCII art!
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 27 Dec 2004 17:54
Matthias Voss
> Since we know of the deaths and devastation caused by these waves, it's easy
> to say that they are not trivial. On the other hand, we've all seen
> pictures of people surfing on waves of comparable height. It's not clear
> why a Tsunami is so different, but it's apparent that they were.
The speed. Let your belly be hit by one liter of water travelling at 200
mph.
Matthias
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 27 Dec 2004 23:11
Nobody
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
Lee,
First, the speed that the waves are travelling (much greater) means that
they hit the coast with much more energy. Second, the waves are from one
end of the horizon to the other, and not caused by local topography. So
they hit in areas not normally subject to such large waves. Of course,
in these areas that are normally safe from large waves ... this is where
us smart humans decide to build resorts, fishing villages, etc. Thus the
result.
I don't want to trivialize the disaster. These things can seem beyond
comprehension. However, land use planners will tell you that it is
predictable that they will occur, although you never know exactly when.
The where is more certain. The Japanese have warning systems in place -
they know through past experience that certain cities are vulnerable.
The majority of human civilization developed in coastal areas, and the
concentration is still there. So long as we build in flood plains and
along coast lines, then hurricanes, floods, tsunamis and erosion will
continue to wreak havoc.
Bart F.
+++ Continued @
Ready.gov
-
Ready.gov
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 28 Dec 2004 05:37
Reef Fish
> I don't want to trivialize the disaster. These things can seem beyond
> comprehension. However, land use planners will tell you that it is
> predictable that they will occur, although you never know exactly when.
Like the Big One expected in California?
> Bart F.
Forget about the land planners.
That's a piece of trivia I picked up from the South China Morning
Post (December 27) this morning, while in Hong Kong.
It was still December 27 when I got home more than 24 hours later. :-)
The 10 largest earthqukes since 1900 by magnitude:
March 22 1960: Chile 9.5. 5000 killed 2 million homeless.
March 28 1966: Alaska 9.2. claimed 125 lives.
March 9 1957: Alaska 9.1. No live lost apparently.
Nov 4 1952: Russia 9.0. No lives were lost.
Dec 26 2004: Indonesia 8.9. Current estimate of lives lost
exceeded 10,000 and growing by the day.
-- Bob.
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 27 Dec 2004 13:20
H. Huntzinger
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
Its a series.
As the ground shakes, it causes some up and down 'piston' action that
make some waves, and then when the ground finally shifts, think of this
as the 'piston' getting stuck in the up position, which forces the
displacement of a big bubble of water.
The danger is not just the 'wave', but the total mass which acts in a
fashion similar to a Hurricane's Storm Surge.
FWIW, for this event, the biggest wave was reportedly not the first
one. It appears that the 2nd or 3rd wave was the strongest, as per
eyewitness statements.
> For one of the largest earthquakes ever, I guess I thought it would
> be much bigger.
The biggest waves reported from this Tsnunami were reported at 20m,
although I'm not sure which country these hit. Wave height can depend
on local topology forming factors.
Finally, when it comes to power, the rule of thumb is a square
relationship: doubling a wave's height means it has 4x the energy.
Thus, a 20m wave has ~~64 times the energy of a (2.5m) 8 foot wave.
-hh
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 27 Dec 2004 14:19
Joe English
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
How much time passed from the earthquake to the Tsunami? You would
think that they knew it was coming from aerial surveillance of the area.
Does/Can a tsunami be generated from the epicenter or miles away or
just anywhere in the general area?
Do they know where the Tsunami was generated, one report I read or heard
said the Tsunami was traveling at 500 mph, I hate to try to out swim that!
Wasn't Mossman going to Thailand to dive over XMAS? Does anyone
remember or know?
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 27 Dec 2004 14:42
Simon
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
They move at 500mph in deep water but are very small. As the water
shallows the wave slows and the volume of moving water piles up so you
get a big wave, it is not moving that fast though. The overall volume
of water is not just the breaking wave but the whole mass of moving
water following, I believe this is the difference when compared to large
surf type waves - it just keeps coming.
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 28 Dec 2004 02:25
Fishbre396
In article <
c566d$41d01a14$ce504905$23631@allthenewsgroups.com
>, Joe English
<
jenglish@wisperhome.com
> writes:
>How much time passed from the earthquake to the Tsunami? You would
>think that they knew it was coming from aerial surveillance of the area.
> Does/Can a tsunami be generated from the epicenter or miles away or
>just anywhere in the general area?
I heard it was 5 or 6 hours - a warning would have helped people get off the
beach. It seems that most of those who were killed were trying to get a better
look at what was happening (similar to what happens during a tornado.)
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 28 Dec 2004 13:05
H. Huntzinger
>
> How much time passed from the earthquake to the Tsunami?
In some areas, not all that much time at all. The quake hit at 7:59am
local time. Reportedly 33 minutes later, it hit the coastal region of
Aceh in Sumatra. Phuket appears to have been hit within the first hour.
Generally speaking, the delay times were slightly more than the nominal
maximum deepwater speed of a Tsunami of 500mph. Thus, a location 1500
miles away would be hit no earlier than 3 hours after the quake. This
is enough time to issue a warning if you have the technology in place,
but in 3rd World types of areas, its unlikely that you'll be able to
successfully disseminate a warning.
FWIW, the Tsnunami was detected on tidal gages 5,000 miles away in New
Zealand, approximately 17 hours after quake (= 300mph average velocity).
Fortunately, it was only 4"-12" in height, probably in no small part
because it had to dissipatively warp around Australia to get there. It
should theoretically have also been detectable in the Atlantic too.
> You would think that they knew it was coming from aerial
> surveillance of the area.
It is rare to see what you weren't even looking for.
The Pacific basin has a detect/warning system, because ~95% of all known
Tsunami's occur there. The Indian Ocean basin doesn't have such a
network, nor does the Atlantic Ocean.
The effective fallback system is a Siesmologist somewhere whose
equipment detects the quake, which then gets plotted to an undersea
location, and some deductive reasoning says to make some phone calls.
Yesterday's news reports alluded to some warning phone calls being
initiated, but lacking a "hot line", it would have gotten bogged down.
I did see one news report that claimed that at least one of the resort
hotels somewhere did try to evacuate their beach before the wave hit.
> Does/Can a tsunami be generated from the epicenter or miles away or
> just anywhere in the general area?
I believe that it has to generally be near the epicenter, as the basic
cause is that the ground has shifted, and the water over that location
is raised in elevation, so it starts to flow downhill (away).
-hh
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 28 Dec 2004 18:40
Joe English
[quoted text clipped - 55 lines]
From what I read there is a warning system, and many third world
countries have it, Thailand did not have the warning system in place
where the tsunami hit. How unfortunate. There was a warning however
and it appears that many people choose to watch instead of evacuate.
That is a pity. For those that did not know and lost loved ones and
children is a real shame.
I read in an article in the paper that quake and tsunami were so strong
that it inteferred with the earth's rotation. WOW!
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 28 Dec 2004 19:09
Grumman-581
"Joe English" wrote ...
> I read in an article in the paper that quake and tsunami were so strong
> that it inteferred with the earth's rotation. WOW!
So, basically, the Earth farted...
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 28 Dec 2004 22:33
Joe English
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
I think it sh.t in its pants and down its legs
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 28 Dec 2004 22:25
Joe English
[quoted text clipped - 71 lines]
Today I read that since the Indian was less prone (they thought) to
earthquakes and tsunamis, many countries didn't see the need. Also the
tsunami center in Honolulu saw it, but had no procedures or call lists
to reach anyone in the areas that were going to be hit.
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 28 Dec 2004 23:43
Diver
According to the New York Times phone calls were made trying to alert
authorities of the coming wave, but there was no infrastructure to get
the information out to the population
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 29 Dec 2004 12:52
dffdf
I understand the fights with food etc. going through but
Really the countries of the world are not doing enough
The United States is sending u.s.s.Lincoln and support ships
Why because they can make thousands of gallons of water from seawater which
survivors desperately need. Heavy equipment helicopters etc. also an
amphibious carrier for search and rescue.
Dive ships that have the capability should be making there presents known by
distributing water at least and search rescue.
In fact, most countries should be sending war ship to the area to assist in
the above situation.
The French, British, etc., should be steaming at high speed with their
hospital ship towards these countries .
There are more than 10s of thousand dead; the figure is closer 100s of
thousands killed.
> According to the New York Times phone calls were made trying to alert
> authorities of the coming wave, but there was no infrastructure to get
> the information out to the population
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 28 Dec 2004 16:02
nospam@all.please.net
> Wasn't Mossman going to Thailand to dive over XMAS? Does anyone
> remember or know?
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.scuba/msg/9514c240ecf1fddf
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 27 Dec 2004 00:15
Randy Buckner
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
Very sad indeed. I just read this:
Paradise destroyed
Thai authorities say more than 200 are feared dead, and hundreds are missing
after the massive waves swept through coastal areas, including Krabi and the
popular resort islands of Phuket and Phi Phi.
One witness said Phuket's famed Laguna Beach resort area is "completely
gone." The area provides 40 percent of Thailand's $10 billion annual tourist
income.
Among the missing were a number of scuba divers exploring the Emerald Cave
off Phuket's coast. Officials say the final toll in Thailand may be closer
to 1,000.
Buck
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 28 Dec 2004 02:25
Fishbre396
In article <
EuIzd.35679$uM5.11616@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net
>, "Randy
Buckner" <
Randybuckner@nospamaol.com
> writes:
>Among the missing were a number of scuba divers exploring the Emerald Cave
>off Phuket's coast
Any chance of survival?
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 28 Dec 2004 02:45
Grumman-581
"Fishbre396" wrote ...
> Any chance of survival?
I suspect that it quickly became a "drift dive"...
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 28 Dec 2004 18:26
Reef Fish
> "Reef Fish" <
Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com
> wrote in message
> > The local CNN breaking news (in Hong Kong) reported at least 1,700 dead
> > in Sri Lanka (as opposed to the 2,143 reported on the web), and that
> > the resort of Phuket and the Maldives was badly hit.
That was two days ago. The estimate of death toll caused by the
quake and resulting tsunamis exceeded 22,000 this morning!
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
I read something in the Asian papers that some scuba divers diving the
famed Emerlad Cave (where the exit is through a tunnel at depth, guided
by ambient light above) were rescued while others were lost diving that
site.
I haven't heard much about Bali and how it was affected by this event.
I am doubly glad I had the chance to dive there in April and
experienced
the incredible drifts/currents and seeing my first mola mola there!
I suspect diving in Indonesia and the Maldives will be forever changed
by this natural disaster.
-- Bob.
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 28 Dec 2004 18:24
Grumman-581
"Reef Fish" wrote ...
> I suspect diving in Indonesia and the Maldives will be forever changed
> by this natural disaster.
Uhhh.... New wreck dives? <sick-grin
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 28 Dec 2004 20:50
Alan Street
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
As far as I know, Java and Borneo were unaffected. Bali is over 2,500
km from the epicenter, with a lot of land in between. I doubt anyone on
Bali even noticed the change in water level.
> I suspect diving in Indonesia and the Maldives will be forever changed
> by this natural disaster.
>
I would agree with the Maldives, but not with Indonesia. There isn't
much of a dive industry on Sumatra, and most of the diving in Borneo is
on the eastern side, well sheltered from the effects of this tsunami.
Bali, as I mentioned above, is sheltered even more.
> -- Bob.
>
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 26 Dec 2004 15:11
damselfish
I just found this on the Ocean Rover Web site:
TO ANYONE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR FAMILY AND FRIENDS BECAUSE OF THE
26-DEC EARTHQUAKE IN SUMATRA. WE ARE HAPPY TO INFORM YOU THAT OCEAN
ROVER AND HER PASSENGERS WERE UNEFFECTED BY IT. WE HAVE BEEN IN
CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH THOSE ON BOARD. FEEL FREE TO CONTACT US FOR
FURTHER INFORMATION.
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 29 Dec 2004 13:52
vpenfold@worldonline.co.za
I am looking for my brother and his fiance. Their names are Justin
Ledingham and Seda Tekoz. They were staying on Phi Phi Island and were
due to go diving on the 26th when the tsunami hit. We have had no news
and were wandering if you knew anything or anything about dive charters
from there.
Kind regards
Victoria
Reply to this message
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 29 Dec 2004 14:20
Daniel Kessler
One of the reports on Phi Phi island said that the waves reached as high as
the 3rd floor of the hotels there, whereas, those who made it to the 2nd
floor of hotels in Pouket were able to get above the surge of water.
Pouket is the only major dive destination in the world that I have to add
to my list.
The TV pictures show Pouket with small hills or mountains hugging close to
the shore, whereas, I understand that Phi Phi is and island that is flat on
the water or so it shows in the TV images of devastation I've seen. So,
obviously, different resorts were hit differently, depending on the
topography, I suppose.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
+++ Continued @ ACCTTS-LLC -> END
-
"Emergency Presponse"
WDMC-2005
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:kvFI-uF5dvkJ:www.scubamonster.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/scuba-forum/2850/Giant-Tidal-Wave-in-Thailand+%22Banda+Aceh%22+PDC.org&hl=en
Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 26 Dec 2004 13:14
KT
http://www.turkishpress.com/world/news.asp?id=041226123548.eimrlc5x.xml
Anyone knows how the situation is at Phuket, Kao Lak & Similan Island?
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 26 Dec 2004 13:48
Mike Ross
>
http://www.turkishpress.com/world/news.asp?id=041226123548.eimrlc5x.xml
>
>Anyone knows how the situation is at Phuket, Kao Lak & Similan Island?
Phuket is in a bad situation - BBC reporting a local tourist official
believes many foreigners are missing, feared dead. No info on the rest
as yet.
An 8.9 is one hell of a quake.
Mike (geologist)
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 26 Dec 2004 14:10
Simon
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
Patong looks unrecognisable. Many people missing. Hopefully many
divers are ok but out of range, the Similans are a fair way offshore but
this is peak season so the expectations here are not good. I live in
Singapore, a lot of people from around here dive up there in the local
off season (East coast peninsular Malaysia) - that is now. There will
be a huge number of LOB out at sea NW of phuket right now. Was just
there a month ago myself. This is looking incredibly sad...
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 26 Dec 2004 14:25
Daniel Kessler
the BBC World reported that 40 scuba divers were stranded off the West coast
of Malaysia. They're probably lucky to be alive.
No report yet on the Maldives, which, as we know, lie flat on the water. Sri
Lanke also badly hit, not to mention the Coramandel coast off India where
thousands were swept out to sea in a giant tidal wave.
According to reports, the quake hit out in the middle of the Andaman Sea in a
subduction zone. I know that I've dived many times in Vanuatu where there
are frequent quakes and that is also a "subduction zone" where the Earth is
swallowed under or beneath an adjoining plate. Usually, the quakes lie so
deep beneath the Earth's crust that they don't do a lot of damage. So...one
might assume that NOT all quakes that occur in a subduction zone are to be
feared. This one really packed a whallop! I wonder how deep in the Earth's
crust it was?
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 26 Dec 2004 17:59
Mike Ross
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
USGS plots the hypocentre at 6.2 miles - fairly shallow.
Mike
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 26 Dec 2004 14:15
KT
Yes. Saw from the news in HK that the destruction in Phuket (Sri Lanka,
Maldives & Malaysia) is huge. However nothing is mentioned about situation
in Similan Island. Given this is the Christmas holiday and dive season in
Thailand. There could be many divers in the water when this the tsunamis
hit Phuket....
Sounds like there could be other smaller scale earthquake after big ones....
How long (you guess) will these small ones finish?
KT
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... series of quakes! 28 Dec 2004 21:42
tomm
the quake was not a single one, it was a series.
see details at USGS earthquake monitor:
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.html
for better overview, i arranged some data to a map of all bengal sea:
http://2lo.de/kitedive/events/thailand/2004tsunami/2004dec-tsunami.jpg
waves animation at ARFC web:
http://staff.aist.go.jp/kenji.satake/animation.gif
tomm.
(
http://2lo.de/kitedive/events/thailand/2004seabeam-souththailand.htm
)
> Sounds like there could be other smaller scale earthquake after big ones....
> How long (you guess) will these small ones finish?
>
> KT
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 26 Dec 2004 14:27
Reef Fish
>
http://www.turkishpress.com/world/news.asp?id=041226123548.eimrlc5x.xml
>
> Anyone knows how the situation is at Phuket, Kao Lak & Similan Island?
Very sketchy but presumably all bad. The tsunamis were caused by
the strongest earthquate in 40 years (8.9 on the richter scale) and
the 5th largest recorded earthquake in history.
The local CNN breaking news (in Hong Kong) reported at least 1,700 dead
in Sri Lanka (as opposed to the 2,143 reported on the web), and that
the resort of Phuket and the Maldives was badly hit.
-- Bob.
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 26 Dec 2004 20:38
Alan Street
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
ABC News is putting the death toll at over 10,000. The Straits Times
has it at 8,700:
STI Home > Latest > News > Print >> Back to the article
Dec 26, 2004
Thousands dead as massive quake, tidal waves hit Asia
COLOMBO (Sri Lanka) - The most powerful earthquake in 40 years
triggered massive tidal waves that slammed into coastlines across Asia
on Sunday, killing more than 8,700 people in Sri Lanka, Indonesia,
India, Thailand and Malaysia.
Tourists, fishermen, hotels, homes and cars were swept away by walls of
water unleashed by the 8.9-magnitude earthquake, centred off the west
coast of the Indonesian island of Sumatra, where at least 1,902 people
were killed by floods and collapsing buildings, officials said.
Initial damage centred on the Indonesian province of Aceh on northern
Sumatra. Dozens of buildings were destroyed, but as elsewhere, much of
the death toll appeared to come from onrushing floodwaters.
Towns nearest the epicentre were levelled by tidal waves, which killed
at least 1,902 people and left bodies wedged in trees as the waters
receded, Indonesian officials and witnesses said.
Communications were down in several coastal towns facing the epicentre
of the undersea quake off the western coast of Aceh, raising fears of
widespread and as yet unreported damage in the region.
But the scope of the disaster became apparent only after waves as high
as six metres crashed into coastal areas throughout the Indian Ocean
and Andaman Sea.
At least 10 powerful aftershocks were also reported in the province
after the initial quake struck, a seismologist said.
The US Geological Survey's website recorded the magnitude 8.9
earthquake off the west coast of Northern Sumatra, 1,620km north-west
of Jakarta. It was centred 40km below the seabed, the website reported.
The earthquake was the world's fifth most powerful since 1900 and the
strongest since a 9.2 temblor slammed Alaska in 1964, US earthquake
experts said.
The force of it shook unusually far afield, causing buildings to sway
hundreds of miles away, from Singapore to the city of Chiang Mai in
northern Thailand, and in Bangladesh, hours after the region's
Christian communities had finished Christmas celebrations.
A spokesman for Indonesian state-owned Garuda Airlines said Banda
Aceh's airport - located several kilometers from the sea - was flooded
and planes were unable to land there. The spokesman did not say how
deep the water was.
Electricity and telephone networks in parts of Banda Aceh were knocked
out and dozens of shops and buildings had either collapsed or were
damaged, witnesses told el-Shinta.
Residents in the Indonesian towns of Lhokseumawe and Banda Aceh
reported tidal waves had triggered flooding in coastal regions.
Rising water levels in inland rivers were also reported.
Tremors felt in Singapore
Some residents in Singapore felt light tremors from the Indonesian
quake.
'There were mild tremors in different parts of Singapore,' said a
spokesman from the National Environment Agency who declined to be
named. 'We felt it one minute after it started.'
Tourists killed in Phuket
Nearly 289 people were killed and more than 1,900 injured, with scores
missing in southern Thai resorts after the major earthquake caused
tidal waves and flooding, a government disaster centre said.
The Narenthorn Centre of the Public Health Ministry reported that some
people had been swept out to sea from a Phuket beach by tidal waves.
About 10,000 tourists were trapped on higher ground, while others were
stuck at sea in boats.
Some of the dead were local workers and at least four tourists died.
The victims were in Trang, Songkhla, Phuket, Krabi, Ranong, Phang Nga,
Satun and Surat Thani provinces, which draw thousands of visitors each
year because of their world-famous beaches.
In the midst of the Andaman Sea on Phi Phi island -- where The Beach
starring Leonardo DiCaprio was filmed -- 200 bungalows at two resorts
were swept out to sea, along with some of its staff and customers.
Watcharat Hospital in Phuket was full, with many foreigners coming from
hotels on popular Kamala and Patong beaches, said a hospital official
who declined to be named.
Several southern Thai resorts were flooded. On Phang-Nga island,
another popular tourist area near Phuket, people sought refuge from the
floods on rooftops. Cars were carried away by rising waters in
neighbouring Krabi, a spokesman from the ministry said.
Tidal waves hit Penang
At least 42 people died after they were swept away by tidal waves on a
Malaysian resort island and in other areas.
Many of the victims drowned while swimming or riding jet skis near
beaches on Penang island in northwestern Malaysia, Deputy Prime
Minister Najib Razak told a news conference. Others died on the
mainland states of Kedah and Perak.
At least 111 others received treatment for injuries, while dozens were
reported missing.
More than 1,000 homes across numerous fishing villages were destroyed
as waves roared into the coastline, leaving hundreds of families
homeless, disaster officials said.
'I have ordered precautionary measures to shift people to safer areas,'
Mr Najib said. 'It is possible there might be more tidal waves. We
should be ready if there is another round.'
Tidal waves as high as five metres hit Penang and several other
Malaysian islands following the 8.9-magnitude earthquake near
Indonesia's Sumatra island.
Officials received reports that some vessels capsized at sea, but there
was no immediate word of casualties outside Penang.
Thousands dead as tidal waves hit India, Sri Lanka
In Sri Lanka -- some 1,600km west of the epicentre -- the death toll
stood at 4,500.
The Sri Lankan government called Sunday's events a national disaster
and appealed for emergency relief.
The deaths occurred in the north-eastern districts of Muttur and
Trincomalee, which were inundated by waves as high as 6m, said a Muttur
district official.
Elsewhere, flash floods shut the port in the capital, Colombo, and
displaced thousands of people in dozens of villages along the eastern
and southern coasts, police and witnesses said.
In India, a massive tidal wave slammed into several parts of southern
India, killing at least 2,000 people, most of them in Tamil Nadu state,
as thick walls of water swept away boats, homes and vehicles, officials
said.
The beaches of Tamil Nadu turned into virtual open air mortuaries as
bodies of fishermen lost at seat were washed ashore and others killed
inland were dumped on the sand by retreating waters. Streets of
Cuddalore town were flooded with sea water, and dozens of cars were
overturned and some were seen perched at awkward angles atop road
dividers.
At least 150 bodies were recovered from Cuddalore and its outlying
areas, and another 100 bodies were found on various beaches in Madras,
the capital of Tamil Nadu.
46 people were killed in neighbouring Andhra Pradesh's three districts,
including 32 in Krishna district, said police. They said the 32 people
including 15 children had gone into the sea for a Hindu religious bath
to mark the full moon day.
Two people were killed and 100 injured in Port Blair, the capital of
Andaman and Nicobar Islands, a remote sparsely populated area in the
Bay of Bengal, about 1,500km east of Madras. The US Geological Survey
reported that the Andaman and Nicobar Islands also was hit by an
earthquake of 7.3 magnitude on Sunday.
Officials said at least 63 people were killed and more than 250
fishermen were missing from the southern states of Andhra Pradesh and
Tamil Naidu. Residents in Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu spoke of
massive walls of water as high as 3.6m slamming into the shore.
Tidal waves hit Maldives
MALE (Maldives) -- The waves caused by the huge earthquake in Indonesia
hit the Maldives, injuring an Italian tourist and possibly causing the
death of a British man, officials and witnesses said.
Much of the Maldives, a string of 1,192 coral atolls off the
south-western coast of India, was inundated by floods after the
magnitude-8.9 earthquake off northern Indonesia unleashed tidal waves.
A British tourist at White Sand Beach resort in South Ari atoll died
from a heart attack possibly after seeing the huge wave heading toward
him, while an Italian tourist was seriously injured. Their identities
were not released.
Some 285 tourists were on the beach at the time.
In the capital, Male, waters approached the office of President Maumoon
Abdul Gayoom, and authorities closed the country's only international
airport.
Jetties and boat houses were destroyed at other resorts and homes
elsewhere in the island nation were flooded.
Buildings sway in neighbouring countries
The Charoenkrung Pracharat hospital in Bangkok evacuated hundreds of
patients from a 24-story building, moving some out on hospital beds
with oxygen tanks, a hospital official told Ruam Duay Chuay Kan radio
station.
Apartment building residents in Bangkok said they heard cracking noises
and felt rumbling and evacuated their buildings.
Residents of some high-rise apartments in Kuala Lumpur and Malaysia's
northern tourist island of Penang were briefly evacuated as a
precaution, condominium officials said. No immediate reports of damage
were known, but workers were checking some buildings to determine
whether there were cracks.
Kuwait sends US$1m aid
KUWAIT CITY -- The government of Kuwait said on Sunday that it was
sending US$1 million to the victims of the earthquake that hit
Indonesia and the tidal waves it caused in neighbouring countries.
The Cabinet said in a statement after its weekly meeting that the
donation was meant to help the victims deal with the aftermath of the
catastrophe. It did not specify when or to whom the aid would go. -- AP
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Copyright © 2004 Singapore Press Holdings. All rights reserved. Privacy
Statement & Condition of Access.
+++ Continued @ Open-GIS mapXchange
ACCTTS-LLC
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 26 Dec 2004 17:02
John Appel
Some quotes from the press:
"At least 289 were confirmed dead in Thailand, 42 in Malaysia and 2 in
Bangladesh."
"The huge waves struck around breakfast time on the beaches of Thailand's
beach resorts - probably Asia's most popular holiday destination at this
time of year, particularly for Europeans fleeing the winter cold - wiping
out bungalows, boats and cars, sweeping away sunbathers and snorkelers,
witnesses said.
"Initially we just heard a bang, a really loud bang," Gerrard Donnelly of
Britain, a guest at Phuket island's Holiday Inn, told Britain's Sky News.
"We initially thought it was a
terrorist attack
, then the wave came and we
just kept running upstairs to get on as high ground as we could."
"People that were snorkeling were dragged along the coral and washed up on
the beach, and people that were sunbathing got washed into the sea," said
Simon Clark, 29, a photographer from London vacationing on Ngai island."
"On Phuket, Somboon Wangnaitham, deputy director of the Wachira Hospital,
said one of the worst hit areas was the populous Patong beach, where at
least 32 people died and 500 were injured."
Another survivor on Phuket was Natalia Moyano, 22, of Sydney, Australia, who
was being treated for torn ligaments.
"The water kept rising. It was very slow at first, then all of a sudden, it
went right up," Moyano said. "At first I didn't think there was any danger,
but when I realized the water kept rising so quickly, I tried to jump over a
fence, but it broke."
"On Phi Phi island - where "The Beach" starring Leonardo DiCaprio was
filmed - 200 bungalows at two resorts were swept out to sea.
"I am afraid that there will be a high figure of foreigners missing in the
sea and also my staff," said Chan Marongtaechar, owner of the PP Princess
Resort and PP Charlie Beach Resort. "
"BANGKOK (AFP) - Huge tidal waves struck southern Thailand's popular resort
island of Phuket, sweeping at least four foreign tourists out to sea,
sinking boats and forcing the evacuation of hotels, officials said on state
radio.
"As of now there are four foreign tourists missing and we are conducting a
search," deputy Phuket governor Pongpao Ketthong said."
"Dec. 26 (Bloomberg) -- Thai Airways International Pcl, the country's
biggest carrier, resumed flying to the resort of Phuket, where at least 118
people have died after an earthquake in Indonesian unleashed tidal waves,
following a six-hour suspension. About 168 people were killed in southern
Thailand and surrounding areas, including Phi Phi island, Agence
France-Presse reported, citing officials. At least 100 people taking diving
holidays off Thailand were feared dead, the BBC said. "
"The U.S. Embassy in Bangkok did not have an estimate for the number of
American tourists in Thailand, or for those killed or injured Sunday.
"That's something the embassy is trying to track, but lots and lots of
people are missing, and people who were killed were on the beach in
swimsuits and didn't have ID on them," an embassy spokeswoman said on
condition of anonymity."
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 26 Dec 2004 19:03
mark@bluespark.co.uk
Can anyone help?
Am looking for any info on Alexandra Caley ('Alex') and Matt believed on a
diving trip in the Similan islands
We don't know what boat or trip she may have taken, can anyone please help
with suggestions on list of dive schools/boats we might be able to contact
or any other news...
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 26 Dec 2004 19:29
mark@bluespark.co.uk
Now believe possible (but not sure) on MV Catch Up also known as MV Amarpon
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 26 Dec 2004 22:36
John Deknatel
To all who are concerned about the passengers, crew and staff of Ocean Rover
Dive Cruises. . At the time of the disaster the boat was, and continues to
be, in Myanmar Mergui Archipelago which was unaffected by the tidal waves.
Management is in continuous contact with the boat via satellite phone. The
office and office infrastructure is intact. Communications in Phuket are
very limited at this time. Updates will be posted if necessary.
>
http://www.turkishpress.com/world/news.asp?id=041226123548.eimrlc5x.xml
>
> Anyone knows how the situation is at Phuket, Kao Lak & Similan Island?
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 27 Dec 2004 06:16
Indigo
>
http://www.turkishpress.com/world/news.asp?id=041226123548.eimrlc5x.xml
> Anyone knows how the situation is at Phuket, Kao Lak & Similan Island?
According to the Phuket Gazette,
http://www.phuketgazette.net/news/index.asp?ref=2004122713520
there are 122
dead and 350 missing.
Those numbers will probably grow as time goes by.
Ian
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 27 Dec 2004 15:29
John Deknatel
To all who are concerned about the passengers, crew and staff of Ocean Rover
Dive Cruises. . At the time of the disaster the boat was, and continues to
be, in Myanmar Mergui Archipelago which was unaffected by the tidal waves.
Management is in continuous contact with the boat via satellite phone. The
office and office infrastructure is intact. Communications in Phuket are
very limited at this time. Updates will be posted if necessary.
Diving in Myanmar is good and he boat has been unaffected by the disaster.
John
>
http://www.turkishpress.com/world/news.asp?id=041226123548.eimrlc5x.xml
>
> Anyone knows how the situation is at Phuket, Kao Lak & Similan Island?
Re: Giant Tidal Wave in Thailand..... 30 Dec 2004 04:51
Chris Pflaum
There was a further post from the Rover group in which they noted that
damage to Phuket, except for the beach resorts, was minor.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
+++ END::
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:kvFI-uF5dvkJ:www.scubamonster.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/scuba-forum/2850/Giant-Tidal-Wave-in-Thailand+%22Banda+Aceh%22+PDC.org&hl=en
Back to Top
